tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2862729565948191502.post1766569863451412653..comments2023-10-30T06:21:18.757-04:00Comments on John Kelly's Voxford: Thanks for the Meme-ories: Gilding the LilleyJohn Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15518490709206494331noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2862729565948191502.post-36242783862971339732008-01-21T01:38:00.000-05:002008-01-21T01:38:00.000-05:00WTK: Do you really think there's no difference bet...WTK: Do you really think there's no difference between The Washington Post and the National Enquirer? While it's true that The Post, and other mainstream papers, occasionally follow up on stories printed in the tabloids, it's hardly common. Tell me some of the stories, later proved false, that The Post covered? And tell me why stories that are circulating in the public sphere should not be John Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15518490709206494331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2862729565948191502.post-82156884220039935152008-01-20T10:43:00.000-05:002008-01-20T10:43:00.000-05:00No, we don't always "know how a Washington Post st...No, we don't always "know how a Washington Post story differs from a National Enquirer one." First, there are plenty of people who think the tabloids are absolutely accurate. Second, I have seen plenty of rumors, later proved to be false, picked up by the Washington Post and other "mainstream" papers and justified by the claim that "We're only telling you what people are talking about."<BR/><BR/>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2862729565948191502.post-51075888670073683692008-01-16T11:58:00.000-05:002008-01-16T11:58:00.000-05:00My heart sinks. Not at the ideas - I'm reasonably ...My heart sinks. Not at the ideas - I'm reasonably confident, as I think are you, about the need for authoritative storytellers. My heart sinks at the ugliness of the language. "Memes". "Infobesity". Even "social networking". And phrases such as "The Novelty of the New...The Immediacy of the Now". Perhaps it's inevitable, but does it have to be expressed in such ghastly language?<BR/><BR/>Yours, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2862729565948191502.post-7566403445263839852008-01-16T11:50:00.000-05:002008-01-16T11:50:00.000-05:00Then again, the pre-cyber media of recent times in...Then again, the pre-cyber media of recent times included everything from network news to the big city dailies to the tabloids. Urban myths pre-dated the internet era too (McCartney's death, conspiracy theories), so I think you are both right, there will be a course correction. But as the old saying goes, the more things change...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2862729565948191502.post-24903768257975869372008-01-16T09:22:00.000-05:002008-01-16T09:22:00.000-05:00It was indeed in "The Selfish Gene" that I first e...It was indeed in "The Selfish Gene" that I first encountered the meme. As I recall, Richard Dawkins suggested there that the memes of Socrates have proved as potent as anybody else's genes.<BR/>Cyberspace seems to range from an anarchic democracy through a niche communications market and a forum for raw anger and venom to lively, engaged discourse. Quite uneven.Candadai Tirumalaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14842987883746560077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2862729565948191502.post-69297626344526269542008-01-16T08:48:00.000-05:002008-01-16T08:48:00.000-05:00Um...we're hip-deep in memes because there is no o...Um...we're hip-deep in memes because there is no one doing the job of those "evil" media giants. No doubt other giants will arise to do the sorting and editing. We can't make sense of our existence without it. Chaos will not reign.<BR/><BR/>At least, that's what I think on a good day.Suburban Correspondenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11488916572135296650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2862729565948191502.post-2097627879409810582008-01-16T08:47:00.000-05:002008-01-16T08:47:00.000-05:00It will be interesting to find out if Lilley addre...It will be interesting to find out if Lilley addresses how he thinks the issue of reality versus meme-caused unrest, war, death. I think there will have to be a place for truth, a place where the facts can be verified. "Dewey wins" or Hillary is finished" may challenge our faith in current media, but I think we will work through these sorts of blips, as we have in the past.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com